Archive-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 05:33:56 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970801053136.007b5770@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 05:35:19 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: MA2STYLE.GDF and Bando MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:21 PM 7/31/97 -0400, Shai S. Laric wrote: >Got a question out there for Marzo and all you other datafile genius-types: > >I've just started a new campaign which uses the Martial Arts rules. One of >my players has taken the realistic Bando style detailed in GURPS Martial >Arts Adventures. I slapped the MARTARTS2.GDF and MA2STYLE.GDF files >into the datafile set, and started entering his stats in to check his calculations >and so I'd have a record of his starting character, and the points didn't add up. >When I went into the datafile to check things out, it turned out that the >realistic Bando style is listed there as having the Boxing skill and the Stamp >Kick maneuver, neither of which is mentioned on p.MA112... also, several of >the maneuvers there are listed as needing at least 1 point. It was my >understanding from the rules in GURPS Martial Arts that the base requirement >for a style is 1 point in each primary skill, and .5 in each maneuver. Skimming >the MA2STYLE file also showed a number of other styles requiring 1 point instead >of .5 in maneuvers. > >Is there some GCA-related reason for this (supposed) error? This is the first time >I've used GCA in a campaign, so I could easily be doing something wrong. The data file doesn't match your player's character because the data file is based on Martial Arts 2nd Edition, which includes things from both Martial Arts 1st Ed. and Martial Arts Adventures, as well as some extra material added to that book. In MA2/E, Boxing is listed as a primary skill for Bando, and Stamp Kick is listed as a maneuver. As to some maneuvers requiring 1 pt instead of .5, Hard maneuvers require at least one point to be spent in them to go up a level, there's no .5 pt level for them. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 05:33:59 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970801053425.007b6c20@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 05:35:22 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Sub or Function not defined? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:51 AM 7/31/97 -0500, *The Forever Man* wrote: >When I close GCA I get a dialog box that says Sub or Function not defined. >Anyone know what that's about? It happens on some systems for no reason that I can determine. It should not, of course, be happening. The best guess I've come up with so far is that it's a compatibility issue with something else on the machine, but I can't figure out what. Some people have had this problem spontaneously occur, and sometimes it goes away, but I've never been able to determine any causal relationships. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 11:44:59 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970802113829.007b5910@mail.teleport.com> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 11:46:08 -0700 To: Michael Ray From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: problems with packages (still) CC: gca-l@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have found what's apparently causing the problems for the packages you're doing for SpecOps. It seems that when you have the spin buttons set to .5 pt increments, the values that are being created for the points in the skills that need to be raised are wrong. Why? I haven't any idea. I'll have to look into that. For now, change it to use the regular spin button increments and things should be fine for you. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 01:46:21 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970803013435.007ea860@pop.goodnet.com> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 01:34:35 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: Michael Ray Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: problems with packages (still) CC: armin@teleport.com (Armin D. Sykes) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:46 02-08-97 -0700, you wrote: >I have found what's apparently causing the problems for the packages you're >doing for SpecOps. It seems that when you have the spin buttons set to .5 >pt increments, the values that are being created for the points in the >skills that need to be raised are wrong. Why? I haven't any idea. I'll have >to look into that. For now, change it to use the regular spin button >increments and things should be fine for you. >Armin Bingo, that get's it working. I still get some GPF's occasionaly, not sure why. At least now I can finish up the Spec Ops file :) I was hoping that there was a simple fix. I don't envy you on tracking down the core problem though. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ //Michael Ray||607 Air Control Squadron||Finger or E-Mail for PGP Key \\ //GCM/O d++>-- H-- s:+ g+++ p2+ au-- a w+ v(-)? C++++ UB P? L 3 E? 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There are several instances where the same skill/ad/disad/etc. is named slightly different from file to file. So if anyone has a list of these they have been keeping, send 'em my way, and I will start making the corrections. I will mostly use the most recent books spelling of the item, and as close to the book as possible. Where it was an author's decision to change the name I will take a look and see what makes the most sense, or if one way is more useful, etc. So if I drop you a note asking you why you did something a certain way, you'll know what's going on. ALL AUTHORS READY THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY! With the files that came while I was gone and trying to get caught up, I realized just how much work there can be if I were to get as many files on a regular basis as I had waiting for me when I got back. Unfortunately, a few mistakes slipped by me, and Armin caught them and fixed them, so I ask you to please read the following and check these before you send them to me to save me time, and help cut down the time I need to spend checking these out. This was as much Armin's idea as mine. He just got me thinking. :) 1) After you submit a data file for posting to the GCA site, *check the site periodically* to make sure that you have the same file as the one that is posted there! Armin and I will often make some minor changes or corrections to data files as time goes on, and sometimes before the file is even posted. I usually try to send a corrected file to the author if it is an initial submission, and I find anything that needs to be changed, but I *do not do this on corrections for files already on the site!* If you then make changes and submit the file for update, but the changes you made were to your original uncorrected file, not the file as posted on the site, changes we made may be left out and the file may then suddenly have old errors resurface even though they'd been fixed once before. Which brings up... 2) Change the 'Last Modified' date in your data file when you make changes! This field is there to make it easier to keep track of whether you have the newest file or not, but if you don't always change the date, you can't always be sure which version of the file you have. If Armin or I notice a date that isn't changed, we usually change it ourselves, but we *could* lose or misplace a file if it does not have the right date. So *please* make sure you change the date when you send the file. That includes new submissions too. Don't just change the created date. This way I will know right away that you have made corrections or changes to the file. 3) Remember to check that the name of the data file at the top of the Author section matches the actual name of the data file. Especially if you copy the information from another file, or are using another file to create to base your file from. This is a commone mistake, and one I am good at making and missing (right, Armin? :). If the name of the file and information do not match, the information you see in the [About the Data Files] option in GCA will not be accurate and could cause confusion and other problems when trying to track down errors or bugs. 4) Make sure the file runs before you send it to me. Granted, I usually log the load of new files when I load them and that helps when I run into something that bombs GCA, but I don't always remember to turn that on when I start out. It takes me extra time to restart GCA, turn on the logging feature, then load the file just to catch a missing comma, paren, etc. Then I have to correct the problem and try it again. So please save me a lot of time and make sure the file loads before sending it to me. 5) *Check the Copyright info!* One third or more of the files I receive are missing some or all of the copyright information. This means I have to look up the info (if I have the book), or e-mail the author to get that information. *No files can be posted to the site without Copyright information!* This is important to protect, you, Armin, GCA, and Steve Jackson Games. If you use multiple books, make sure the copyright info for *all* of the books is in the file. If you do nothing else, *double check* the copyright info before you send me the file. If I can not find the information and you do not send me satisfactory information, *the file will not be posted.* I will not keep pestering you for the information. If I do not get it in my first few attempts, I will give up. It is your file, and it is your responsibility to provide this information if you want the file posted on the site. It is not my job to badger you for the information. Sorry if this seems harsh, but I am only trying to prevent any possible problems, lawsuits, etc. that could occur because of this. 6) Use SJG abbreviations for books. If you are using a net conversion, or other source, check the SJG site and make sure you *do not* use one of the existing abbreviations. The most current list of abbreviations can be found at: http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/abbrevs.html . 7) Test the file before you send it to me. A day or so is not going to make any difference. If you are taking the time to make the file, you probably intend to use it, so why not do it before you e-mail it? Armin and I find a lot of problems simply by loading the file and spending 10 minutes making a character with it. You know what is most likely to get used and what is unique, so test those features out. This will also cut down the time to get the file posted on the site. Thats about it for now. If you have any questions about how to make a data file, or what is in a data file, ask someone here, or check out: http://www.teleport.com/~armin/docs/filespec.html a trai in pace, Redeucer (DFC) MJA@VAX3.ltec.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:45:55 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708050245.CAA138140@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "gca-l@lists.sidhe.org" Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 04:42:18 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Bunnies & Burrows Hi ev, I'm trying to write a Bunnies & Burrows data file, and I have some questions. First: Because bunnies aren't allowed to use many things in Basic.GDF, I decided not to use a modular data file which needs Basic.GDF and the like. B&B games will rarely be of the campaign crossover type, so there is no much need for a modular structure. I took Basic.GDF, put in some Psionics and some Martial Arts and now it's a single data file. What do you think? Second is technical: - - - Schnipp - - - [SKILLS] Language (Common Lagomorph), M/E, default("SK:Language (Lapine)-4", "SK:Language (Pika)-4"), page(BB29) Language (Lapine), M/A, default("SK:Language (Common Lagomorph)-4"), page(BB29) [Packages] {Basic Bunny; This covers the inherent skills of a bunny} Create=ADS:Basic Bunny Package, 0, gives(+1pts SK:Camouflage, +1pts SK:Language (Common Lagomorph), +2pts SK:Language (Lapine), +4pts SK:Running, +2pts SK:Stealth, +2pts SK:Survival) - - - Schnapp - - - What happens is this: I start a new character, add the Basic Bunny package and nothing happens. When I add Language (Common Lagomorph) and Language (Lapine) by hand (which shouldn't be required), Common Lagomorph is at IQ and Lapine is at IQ+1. Now, if I raise Common Lagomorph by one point, Lapine is also raised by one point, which it shouldn't. Another thing is puzzling: The first character I made with Bunnies.GDF has even more problems with the languages, which gives him a level of some 120 in Lapine, defaulting apparently from 1 point in Common Lagomorph. I cannot remove this problem in this character. What's wrong? Bunnies.GDF is still beta, but if somebody wants to look at it before the DFC, I'll be happy to make it a wide beta. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:58:22 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:58:11 -0400 (EDT) From: EBS110277@aol.com Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Message-ID: <970805005809_63782555@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows >{Basic Bunny; This covers the inherent skills of a bunny} >Create=ADS:Basic Bunny Package, 0, > gives(+1pts SK:Camouflage, > +1pts SK:Language (Common Lagomorph), > +2pts SK:Language (Lapine), > +4pts SK:Running, > +2pts SK:Stealth, > +2pts SK:Survival) One of the problems is that, with packages, if you want the package to give a character an automatic ad/disad/skill you have to add to it as follows: ADD=SK:Psychology .at. 4pts If you don't do this the character won't get the skills automatically. Also, if you are using "hard returns" (i.e. pressing the enter button) in the middle of an advantage (as you did above) you can also have other problems. I would suggest you reread the datafile specifications available at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/progfiles.html I know it's kind of long and boring, but it covers most problems. It would also help if you take a look at Armins and my own datafiles (ffraces.gdf and alienrac.gdf, not to mention a couple others that have packages like ma2style.gdf) to see how packages are constructed. Eric Smith EBS110277@aol.com p.s. if you send me the GDF you're working on I would be happy to take a look at it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 04:58:26 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 06:57:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199708051157.GAA08708@netgw.ltec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: MJA@vax3.ltec.com (Redeucer Oehler) Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows At 04:42 AM 8/5/97 -0100, GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org wrote: >I'm trying to write a Bunnies & Burrows data file, and I have some >questions. First, you may want to check out the web site. The new B&B gdf is up there right now. Take a look at it. It's called bunnies.gdf. >- - - Schnipp - - - >[SKILLS] > >Language (Common Lagomorph), M/E, default("SK:Language (Lapine)-4", >"SK:Language (Pika)-4"), page(BB29) >Language (Lapine), M/A, default("SK:Language (Common Lagomorph)-4"), >page(BB29) > >[Packages] > >{Basic Bunny; This covers the inherent skills of a bunny} >Create=ADS:Basic Bunny Package, 0, > gives(+1pts SK:Camouflage, > +1pts SK:Language (Common Lagomorph), > +2pts SK:Language (Lapine), > +4pts SK:Running, > +2pts SK:Stealth, > +2pts SK:Survival) >- - - Schnapp - - - If these are native languages for bunnies, shouldn't they be M/NL? I don't have B&B, so I can't check that. The skills part is fine, it's the way tou have the package set up that is causing the problem. It should something like: {Basic Bunny} ADD=Race .at. Bunny *or Rabbit if you prefer* ADD=SK:Camouflage .at. 1pts ADD=SK:Language (Common Lagomorph) .at. 1pts ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .at. 2pts ADD=SK:Running .at. 4pts ADD=SK:Stealth .at. 2pts ADD=SK:Survival .at. 2pts You do not need the Basic Bunny Package AD at all. Hope this helped. a trai in pace, Redeucer ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 06:06:34 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:05:52 -0500 From: Jim Trigg Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org References: <199708050245.CAA138140@out1.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, 05 Aug 97 at 04:42:18 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote to "gca-l@lists.sidhe.org" : > Second is technical: > - - - Schnipp - - - > [SKILLS] > > Language (Common Lagomorph), M/E, default("SK:Language (Lapine)-4", > "SK:Language (Pika)-4"), page(BB29) > Language (Lapine), M/A, default("SK:Language (Common Lagomorph)-4"), > page(BB29) > > [Packages] > > {Basic Bunny; This covers the inherent skills of a bunny} > Create=ADS:Basic Bunny Package, 0, > gives(+1pts SK:Camouflage, > +1pts SK:Language (Common Lagomorph), > +2pts SK:Language (Lapine), > +4pts SK:Running, > +2pts SK:Stealth, > +2pts SK:Survival) > - - - Schnapp - - - > > What happens is this: I start a new character, add the Basic Bunny > package and nothing happens. When I add Language (Common Lagomorph) and > Language (Lapine) by hand (which shouldn't be required), Common > Lagomorph is at IQ and Lapine is at IQ+1. > Now, if I raise Common Lagomorph by one point, Lapine is also raised by > one point, which it shouldn't. Other people have addressed why the languages don't show up initially. Now for the other problem. The closing double-quote in the default should be before the math, not after it. You're actually getting Lapine defaulting to Lagomorph instead of Lagomorph-4. Hope this helps, -------------------------------------------------------- Name: Jim Trigg E-mail: Jim Trigg Date: 08/05/97 Time: 09:05:52 This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions -------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 16:39:19 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708082339.XAA23932@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 01:27:56 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi, >>{Basic Bunny; This covers the inherent skills of a bunny} >>Create=ADS:Basic Bunny Package, 0, >> gives(+1pts SK:Camouflage, >> +1pts SK:Language (Common Lagomorph), >> +2pts SK:Language (Lapine), >> +4pts SK:Running, >> +2pts SK:Stealth, >> +2pts SK:Survival) > >One of the problems is that, with packages, if you want the package to give a >character an automatic ad/disad/skill you have to add to it as follows: > >ADD=SK:Psychology .at. 4pts But if I do something like {Lapine Test Package} ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .AT. 2pts wouldn't that cost 2 points? The specs, p. 19, line 2 (PDF) say "The real cost is whatever all the items add up to". >If you don't do this the character won't get the skills automatically. Also, >if you are using "hard returns" (i.e. pressing the enter button) in the >middle of an advantage (as you did above) you can also have other problems. OK, here I believed the specs (line continuation, comma). I'll change it. >I would suggest you reread the datafile specifications available at >http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/progfiles.html I read them (PDF from March 31), but some things are still not clear. >p.s. if you send me the GDF you're working on I would be happy to take a look >at it. The one I sent you is obsolete by now. I'll send a new one. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 16:39:23 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708082339.XAA167074@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 01:34:38 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi, On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 06:57:13 -0500, Redeucer Oehler wrote: >>I'm trying to write a Bunnies & Burrows data file, and I have some >>questions. > >First, you may want to check out the web site. The new B&B gdf is up there >right now. Take a look at it. It's called bunnies.gdf. Strange parallel development. OK, I have it and found some errors, so I'll contact Mark. Thanks for the hint, I checked the page before I started and wouldn't have checked it again for a time. >If these are native languages for bunnies, shouldn't they be M/NL? I don't >have B&B, so I can't check that. I have B&B, but I don't know where to check it. Lapine and Common Lagomorph are certainly native Languages, known to every bunny at IQ, but I couldn't find anything about M/NL in Filespec.PDF. What's the difference? >The skills part is fine, it's the way tou have the package set up that is >causing the problem. It should something like: > >{Basic Bunny} >ADD=Race .at. Bunny *or Rabbit if you prefer* >ADD=SK:Camouflage .at. 1pts >ADD=SK:Language (Common Lagomorph) .at. 1pts >ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .at. 2pts >ADD=SK:Running .at. 4pts >ADD=SK:Stealth .at. 2pts >ADD=SK:Survival .at. 2pts > >You do not need the Basic Bunny Package AD at all. Same question as before: Wouldn't it cost 12 points? cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 16:39:27 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708082339.XAA133822@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 01:36:22 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi, On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 09:05:52 -0500, Jim Trigg wrote: >Other people have addressed why the languages don't show up initially. Now for the other >problem. The closing double-quote in the default should be before the math, not after it. >You're actually getting Lapine defaulting to Lagomorph instead of Lagomorph-4. > >Hope this helps, It certainly does. Thanks to you and the other people who answered so fast. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 18:34:15 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970808182647.007b8100@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 18:36:27 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:27 AM 8/9/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: I apologize if I miss something that you covered in your original post, but I've been really busy and I noticed that others were responding to you. >But if I do something like >{Lapine Test Package} >ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .AT. 2pts >wouldn't that cost 2 points? The specs, p. 19, line 2 (PDF) say "The >real cost is whatever all the items add up to". Correct, that would cost two points. If you want the skill added, but not cost anything, just do it '.AT. 0'. If it's a racially learned skill that you don't want to charge the package costs for, include a gives() bonus in another advantage that gives() the points to the skill. (I believe you did something similar originally, except you didn't add the skill at 0.) >OK, here I believed the specs (line continuation, comma). I'll change >it. Line continuation character or comma should work fine for you. You shouldn't have any problems unless you use a hard return without a line continuation character. >I read them (PDF from March 31), but some things are still not clear. Anything that isn't clear, just ask, which is what you did, so you're fine. I hope to be expanding on the FileSpec in the future, but haven't had a chance lately. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 18:34:19 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970808183517.00793c90@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 18:36:32 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:34 AM 8/9/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >>If these are native languages for bunnies, shouldn't they be M/NL? I don't >>have B&B, so I can't check that. > >I have B&B, but I don't know where to check it. Lapine and Common >Lagomorph are certainly native Languages, known to every bunny at IQ, >but I couldn't find anything about M/NL in Filespec.PDF. What's the >difference? I don't mention this in the FileSpec, but I should. There are some special types that GCA allows: M/NL, MA/A, MA/H, MA/VH. M/NL is for Native Language, which means you get the skill at Stat level (usually IQ) for 0pts, and each additional level costs 1 pt. (The MA/ stuff is for maneuvers, or skills that advance like maneuvers.) >>The skills part is fine, it's the way tou have the package set up that is >>causing the problem. It should something like: >> >>{Basic Bunny} >>ADD=Race .at. Bunny *or Rabbit if you prefer* >>ADD=SK:Camouflage .at. 1pts >>ADD=SK:Language (Common Lagomorph) .at. 1pts >>ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .at. 2pts >>ADD=SK:Running .at. 4pts >>ADD=SK:Stealth .at. 2pts >>ADD=SK:Survival .at. 2pts >> >>You do not need the Basic Bunny Package AD at all. > >Same question as before: Wouldn't it cost 12 points? Yes it would. If you want the skills to be given to the bunnies at those point levels, but you want the package to not include the costs for them (i.e. they get those levels for free), you need to use '.AT. 0' instead of the above values, and then add/create another advantage that gives() those points to the bunnies (which you'd done in your initial package). You need to do *both* things to make sure that the bunnies automatically get the skills, and that they get the bonus levels. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 19:48:58 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708090248.CAA105034@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 04:46:53 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi Armin, >>{Lapine Test Package} >>ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .AT. 2pts >Correct, that would cost two points. If you want the skill added, but not >cost anything, just do it '.AT. 0'. If it's a racially learned skill that >you don't want to charge the package costs for, include a gives() bonus in >another advantage that gives() the points to the skill. (I believe you did >something similar originally, except you didn't add the skill at 0.) Like this? - - - Schnipp - - - {Basic Bunny; This covers the inherent skills of a bunny} ADD=Race .at. Rabbit ADD=AD:Peripheral Vision ADD=DI:Fear of Loud Noises (Brontophobia) ADD=SK:Camouflage .AT. 0 ADD=SK:Language (Common Lagomorph) .AT. 0 ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .AT. 0 ADD=SK:Running .AT. 0 ADD=SK:Stealth .AT. 0 ADD=SK:Survival .AT. 0 CREATE=AD:Basic Bunny Package, 0, gives(+1pts SK:Camouflage, +1pts SK:Language (Common Lagomorph), +2pts SK:Language (Lapine), +4pts SK:Running, +2pts SK:Stealth, +2pts SK:Survival) - - - Schnapp - - - Could I add a "display(no)" to the advantage? >Line continuation character or comma should work fine for you. You >shouldn't have any problems unless you use a hard return without a line >continuation character. So the above will work? (Sorry, I can't check it myself right now.) cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 19:56:44 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708090255.CAA101764@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 04:53:33 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi Armin, >I don't mention this in the FileSpec, but I should. There are some special >types that GCA allows: M/NL, MA/A, MA/H, MA/VH. M/NL is for Native >Language, which means you get the skill at Stat level (usually IQ) for >0pts, and each additional level costs 1 pt. (The MA/ stuff is for >maneuvers, or skills that advance like maneuvers.) So I was to fast. The languages should be: - - - Schnipp - - - Language (Common Lagomorph), M/NL, default("SK:Language (Lapine)"-4, "SK:Language (Pika)"-4), page(BB29) Language (Lapine), M/NL, default("SK:Language (Common Lagomorph)"-4), page(BB29) - - - Schnapp - - - and the package should be: - - - Schnipp - - - {Basic Bunny; This covers the inherent skills of a bunny} ADD=Race .at. Rabbit ADD=AD:Peripheral Vision ADD=DI:Fear of Loud Noises (Brontophobia) ADD=SK:Camouflage .AT. 0 ADD=SK:Language (Common Lagomorph) .AT. 0 ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .AT. 0 ADD=SK:Running .AT. 0 ADD=SK:Stealth .AT. 0 ADD=SK:Survival .AT. 0 CREATE=AD:Basic Bunny Package, 0, gives(+1pts SK:Camouflage, +4pts SK:Running, +2pts SK:Stealth, +2pts SK:Survival) - - - Schnapp - - - With this package, a bunny would get the ads and skills, with the skills at the right level (including Lapine and Common Lagomorph at IQ), right? cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 00:22:46 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 03:22:39 -0400 (EDT) From: EBS110277@aol.com Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Message-ID: <970809032238_208901337@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows >>If these are native languages for bunnies, shouldn't they be M/NL? I don't >>have B&B, so I can't check that. > >I have B&B, but I don't know where to check it. Lapine and Common >Lagomorph are certainly native Languages, known to every bunny at IQ, >but I couldn't find anything about M/NL in Filespec.PDF. What's the >difference? The difference is that Native Languages (M/NL) automatically start out at IQ level for 0 points, and they only cost 1 point per level to increase, as per the rules for native languages in the basic set, page 54-55. >>{Basic Bunny} >>ADD=Race .at. Bunny *or Rabbit if you prefer* >>ADD=SK:Camouflage .at. 1pts >>ADD=SK:Language (Common Lagomorph) .at. 1pts >>ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .at. 2pts >>ADD=SK:Running .at. 4pts >>ADD=SK:Stealth .at. 2pts >>ADD=SK:Survival .at. 2pts >> >>You do not need the Basic Bunny Package AD at all. > >Same question as before: Wouldn't it cost 12 points? > Yes, it would. The problem is that what if the character only wants 1 pt in Stealth, or maybe take the Incompetance at Stealth disadvantage, then you have to modify the the Bunny advantage instead of just removing the Stealth skill. If all of the bunnies are going to have these skills as a base then instead of making 30 point bunnies with the package costing 0 points you just have the character make 42 point bunnies with the package costing 12 of those 42 points. Eric Smith EBS110277@aol.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 08:02:46 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708091502.PAA47462@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "gca-l@lists.sidhe.org" Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 17:00:14 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: GCA won't start Hi, Now this is not very nice. I just compiled a New! and Improved! data file out of the two Bunny files, started GCA to try it, but it tells me: "The following error was encountered in procedure 'FastLoadFileWrite': 76: Path not found." I had some problems with my first data file and maybe I deleted one or the other important file in the process. What's wrong? BTW: What would happen if I delete GCA.INI? cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:12:09 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970809135731.007df1f0@mail.teleport.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:14:28 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: GCA won't start MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:00 PM 8/9/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >Now this is not very nice. I just compiled a New! and Improved! data >file out of the two Bunny files, started GCA to try it, but it tells >me: "The following error was encountered in procedure >'FastLoadFileWrite': 76: Path not found." > >I had some problems with my first data file and maybe I deleted one or >the other important file in the process. What's wrong? This error usually should only come up if you've changed the path information around under GCA. GCA still has some problems dealing well with paths. I'd recreate your affected data file set from scratch (delete the .gds file if you need to, to get GCA to start up). > >BTW: What would happen if I delete GCA.INI? Nothing bad, really, and it's usually a pretty effective way to get GCA to restart if something in there is messed up and you don't know what to fix. If you don't keep your data files in the GCA directory, you'll need to reset the DataPath item in the Files section to the correct path, but everything else that is lost you can reset in Preferences again. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:12:12 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970809140356.007e1810@mail.teleport.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:14:30 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:53 AM 8/9/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >So I was to fast. The languages should be: >- - - Schnipp - - - >Language (Common Lagomorph), M/NL, default("SK:Language (Lapine)"-4, >"SK:Language (Pika)"-4), page(BB29) >Language (Lapine), M/NL, default("SK:Language (Common Lagomorph)"-4), >page(BB29) >- - - Schnapp - - - Assuming that both of those will be native languages to the characters, yes, that's probably correct. I usually specify the languages based on what they are to non-native speakers, such as M/A or whatever, and then specifically change to M/NL when a native speaker takes the language. You could do that, and then use CREATE in the package to add the languages to the bunnies as M/NL. >and the package should be: >- - - Schnipp - - - > >{Basic Bunny; This covers the inherent skills of a bunny} >ADD=Race .at. Rabbit >ADD=AD:Peripheral Vision >ADD=DI:Fear of Loud Noises (Brontophobia) >ADD=SK:Camouflage .AT. 0 >ADD=SK:Language (Common Lagomorph) .AT. 0 >ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .AT. 0 >ADD=SK:Running .AT. 0 >ADD=SK:Stealth .AT. 0 >ADD=SK:Survival .AT. 0 >CREATE=AD:Basic Bunny Package, 0, > gives(+1pts SK:Camouflage, > +4pts SK:Running, > +2pts SK:Stealth, > +2pts SK:Survival) >- - - Schnapp - - - > >With this package, a bunny would get the ads and skills, with the >skills at the right level (including Lapine and Common Lagomorph at >IQ), right? Yes. If your bunny package is supposed to be 0 points, then this looks like it will do what you want it to. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:12:15 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970809140732.007e13d0@mail.teleport.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:14:32 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:46 AM 8/9/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >Could I add a "display(no)" to the advantage? No. Display() affects only user-defined stats. >So the above will work? (Sorry, I can't check it myself right now.) Yes, it should, because you have a comma at each break. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:12:18 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970809141312.007bb1b0@mail.teleport.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:14:35 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:22 AM 8/9/97 -0400, EBS110277@aol.com wrote: >Yes, it would. The problem is that what if the character only wants 1 pt in >Stealth, or maybe take the Incompetance at Stealth disadvantage, then you >have to modify the the Bunny advantage instead of just removing the Stealth >skill. If all of the bunnies are going to have these skills as a base then >instead of making 30 point bunnies with the package costing 0 points you just >have the character make 42 point bunnies with the package costing 12 of those >42 points. This is true. While I might tend to do it this way, I can see where it would be nice to have the general bunny in a campaign start at 0 points instead of 12; it feels better. Handling the unusual circumstances would be seen as disads in that campaign, as opposed to just fewer advantages, so a bunny with just one point in Stealth, for example, would have a disad that gives(-1pts to SK:Stealth). I think this leads to a nice symmetry in keeping things that remove from the racial package as disads, since that's how they'd be seen by the other bunnies. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:19:00 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708092218.WAA105260@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 17:11:30 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi, >The difference is that Native Languages (M/NL) automatically start out at IQ >level for 0 points, and they only cost 1 point per level to increase, as per >the rules for native languages in the basic set, page 54-55. I got this already and changed the skill and the package. >>Same question as before: Wouldn't it cost 12 points? > >Yes, it would. The problem is that what if the character only wants 1 pt in >Stealth Bad luck. >or maybe take the Incompetance at Stealth disadvantage That would be a problem. Incompetence is not yet in the data file, but if it makes its way in, I have to think about it. >If all of the bunnies are going to have these skills as a base then >instead of making 30 point bunnies with the package costing 0 points you just >have the character make 42 point bunnies with the package costing 12 of those >42 points. Or I add an advantage like I did in my last message. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:22:10 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708101722.NAA26190@ren.globecomm.net> Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Troy Guffey" To: "GURPS character Assistant List" Subject: Missing Basic Advantage Modifier Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 12:19:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why wasn't the Patron modifiers listed for special qualities included in basic.gdf and vbasic.gdf? There are three listed in GURPS Basic: Patron can use magic in a generally non-magic world. Patron has technology much better than the world's norm. Patron has unusual reach in time or space. Troy Guffey ICQ UIN: 1978644 AOL IM: Pax214 "Belief changes the world. Because by believing, you change." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:48:00 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708110147.BAA125678@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 97 00:38:48 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi, >>Could I add a "display(no)" to the advantage? > >No. Display() affects only user-defined stats. I read this in Filespec.PDF, but I wasn't sure whether it's still valid. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:48:03 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708110147.BAA140570@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 03:41:51 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi Armin, >I usually specify the languages based on what they are to non-native >speakers, such as M/A or whatever, and then specifically change to >M/NL when a native speaker takes the language. That's no problem here. All players are bunnies anyway. >>With this package, a bunny would get the ads and skills, with the >>skills at the right level (including Lapine and Common Lagomorph at >>IQ), right? > >Yes. If your bunny package is supposed to be 0 points, then this looks like >it will do what you want it to. So the main bugs seems to be squished, the rest is just detail. It's very nice to see that here are many people willing to help you. Much different from newsgroups. Thank you very much, all of you. It's also nice to use a program that's more affected by user errors than by its own bugs. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:48:08 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708110148.BAA75572@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 03:42:25 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: GCA won't start Hi Armin, >>"The following error was encountered in procedure >>'FastLoadFileWrite': 76: Path not found." >I'd recreate your affected data file set from scratch (delete the >.gds file if you need to, to get GCA to start up). OK, I'll try this first... >>BTW: What would happen if I delete GCA.INI? > >Nothing bad, really, and it's usually a pretty effective way to get GCA to >restart if something in there is messed up ...and this in case it still don't work. >If you don't keep your data files in the GCA directory, you'll need to >reset the DataPath item in the Files section to the correct path That reminds me: Is there a way to install the data file using the same Install.LOG as GCA itself? I figure that two Install.LOGs are of no use, but, alas, there they are. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:48:13 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708110148.BAA37470@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "gca-l@lists.sidhe.org" Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 03:45:26 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi, Technical: - Dulled Nose, -3/-3, upto(4), gives(-1 "Taste/Smell", -1 GR:NoSmell), page(BB24) Doesn't work, Taste/Smell is still shown as IQ. (The skills in NoSmell are reduced.) I probably could use TasteSmell without quotation marks, I still wonder why the above won't do it. Wish List: - When I choose File/Preferences for the first time after starting GCA, my CD-ROM jukebox changes through all disks before File/Preferences is shown. This is a little annoying, could you do anything about it? - Make the "Reload Data File" button easier to reach. Which brings as to: - A Toolbar Other: - I have made some changes in my Bunnies & Burrows campaign and have changed the GDF along. Now, of course I think the changes are very clever and everyone should use them. Should I restore the original values or is it enough to mark the changes and provide the original? For example, plants are much more important to Rabbits than to humans, so I raised the cost for Plant Empathy from 5 to 10. The line looks like this: - - - Schnipp - - - Plant Empathy, 10, gives(+2 SK:Botany), page(CI29) // Original: Plant Empathy, 5, gives(+2 SK:Botany), page(CI29) - - - Schnapp - - - cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 19:16:29 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:16:52 +1000 (EST) From: Mark Nettle Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just deleted the last message, and then thought of a reply. The question was what to do with custom changes to the B&B datafile (eg cost of Plant Empathy). The way I would do something like this is to leave the B&B datafile with everything as specified in the official sourcebooks, and then have another file mybunnies.gdf which contains the changes for your campaign. If you want, you can put a comment in the Author section of the bunnies.gdf that you recommend loading mybunnies.gdf, and have it placed in the User Campaigns section. (speaking of which, I should probably have a look at my Undersea datafiles, and see how out of date / broken they are.) Mark ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:40:41 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 02:40:38 -0400 (EDT) From: EBS110277@aol.com Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Message-ID: <970811024037_-1371884526@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows >Technical: >- Dulled Nose, -3/-3, upto(4), gives(-1 "Taste/Smell", -1 GR:NoSmell), >page(BB24) >Doesn't work, Taste/Smell is still shown as IQ. (The skills in NoSmell >are reduced.) I probably could use TasteSmell without quotation marks, >I still wonder why the above won't do it. If you remove the quotes it works fine. Apparently GCA isn't recognizing the attribute (which Taste/Smell is) because of the quotes. When in doubt compare what's not working to what is. I compared this to the Alertness Advantage in Basic.gdf, and Alertness doesn't have quotes so I figured that the problem must be the quotes, and it is. >Wish List: >- When I choose File/Preferences for the first time after starting GCA, >my CD-ROM jukebox changes through all disks before File/Preferences is >shown. This is a little annoying, could you do anything about it? This is a common complaint. I it's a problem with the GCA engine, Armin has said that he will try to fix this in version 3.0 of GCA. Unfortunately Armin hasn't even started writing v3.0, and has said that he probably won't in the near future. :-( >- Make the "Reload Data File" button easier to reach. Which brings as >to: >- A Toolbar > >Other: >- I have made some changes in my Bunnies & Burrows campaign and have >changed the GDF along. Now, of course I think the changes are very >clever and everyone should use them. Should I restore the original >values or is it enough to mark the changes and provide the original? >For example, plants are much more important to Rabbits than to humans, >so I raised the cost for Plant Empathy from 5 to 10. The line looks >like this: >- - - Schnipp - - - >Plant Empathy, 10, gives(+2 SK:Botany), page(CI29) // Original: >Plant Empathy, 5, gives(+2 SK:Botany), page(CI29) >- - - Schnapp - - - I believe this has already been answered by Mark, basically name the file mybunny.gdf and put a note in the author section that this file is intended for your campaign only because you have made some changes to the rules in the Basic Set and B & B. >cu >Yoo Eric Smith EBS110277@aol.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:25:39 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:28:07 -0500 From: Jim Trigg Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org References: <199708090255.CAA101764@out1.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Just to really confuse things. The languages should not be M/NL unless they are ONLY available as native languages. Otherwise, characters who take the languages as second languages will not get them properly. Use the previous attempt, which will work correctly in all cases. ------------------------ From: Thorsten Haude Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Date: Sat, 09 Aug 97 04:53:33 -0100 To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" > Hi Armin, > > >I don't mention this in the FileSpec, but I should. There are some special > >types that GCA allows: M/NL, MA/A, MA/H, MA/VH. M/NL is for Native > >Language, which means you get the skill at Stat level (usually IQ) for > >0pts, and each additional level costs 1 pt. (The MA/ stuff is for > >maneuvers, or skills that advance like maneuvers.) > > So I was to fast. The languages should be: > - - - Schnipp - - - > Language (Common Lagomorph), M/NL, default("SK:Language (Lapine)"-4, > "SK:Language (Pika)"-4), page(BB29) > Language (Lapine), M/NL, default("SK:Language (Common Lagomorph)"-4), > page(BB29) > - - - Schnapp - - - > > and the package should be: > - - - Schnipp - - - > > {Basic Bunny; This covers the inherent skills of a bunny} > ADD=Race .at. Rabbit > ADD=AD:Peripheral Vision > ADD=DI:Fear of Loud Noises (Brontophobia) > ADD=SK:Camouflage .AT. 0 > ADD=SK:Language (Common Lagomorph) .AT. 0 > ADD=SK:Language (Lapine) .AT. 0 > ADD=SK:Running .AT. 0 > ADD=SK:Stealth .AT. 0 > ADD=SK:Survival .AT. 0 > CREATE=AD:Basic Bunny Package, 0, > gives(+1pts SK:Camouflage, > +4pts SK:Running, > +2pts SK:Stealth, > +2pts SK:Survival) > - - - Schnapp - - - > > With this package, a bunny would get the ads and skills, with the > skills at the right level (including Lapine and Common Lagomorph at > IQ), right? > > cu > Yoo > > yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 > PGP public key on request > Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 > > > ---------------End of Original Message----------------- -- Jim Trigg, Lord High Everything Else (RL/DNRC) O- Jamie FitzGeorge, AOA, Archer, erstwhile Seastar Pursuivant (SCA) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:35:32 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: SamWGamge@aol.com Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Message-ID: <970811173515_1385297035@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows TAKE ME OFF OF THIS LIST. I don't know how I got on this mailing list but I really hate it. Take me off of it and quit sending me this stupid E-Mail SamWGamge ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:35:53 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708112235.WAA145870@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 00:22:25 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi, >>Technical: >>- Dulled Nose, -3/-3, upto(4), gives(-1 "Taste/Smell", -1 GR:NoSmell), >>page(BB24) > >If you remove the quotes it works fine. Apparently GCA isn't recognizing >the attribute (which Taste/Smell is) because of the quotes. Yes, indeed. I wonder why. > When in doubt compare what's not working to what is. I compared this to >the Alertness Advantage in Basic.gdf, and Alertness doesn't have quotes >so I figured that the problem must be the quotes, and it is. I'll try to remember this for the next time. >>Wish List: >>- When I choose File/Preferences for the first time after starting GCA, >>my CD-ROM jukebox changes through all disks before File/Preferences is >>shown. This is a little annoying, could you do anything about it? > >This is a common complaint. That's nice to hear, around here, not many people have jukeboxes. >>- I have made some changes in my Bunnies & Burrows campaign and have >>changed the GDF along. Now, of course I think the changes are very >>clever and everyone should use them. Should I restore the original >>values or is it enough to mark the changes and provide the original? >>For example, plants are much more important to Rabbits than to humans, >>so I raised the cost for Plant Empathy from 5 to 10. The line looks >>like this: >>- - - Schnipp - - - >>Plant Empathy, 10, gives(+2 SK:Botany), page(CI29) // Original: >>Plant Empathy, 5, gives(+2 SK:Botany), page(CI29) >>- - - Schnapp - - - > >I believe this has already been answered by Mark, basically name the file >mybunny.gdf >and put a note in the author section that this file is intended for your >campaign only >because you have made some changes to the rules in the Basic Set and B & B. I don't think that you can answer this question right or wrong. It's basically a matter of taste, maybe modified by established customs in the GCA community. So you agree with Mark? cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:36:15 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708112235.WAA177534@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 00:32:39 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi Mark, >I just deleted the last message, and then thought of a reply. The question >was what to do with custom changes to the B&B datafile (eg cost of Plant >Empathy). The way I would do something like this is to leave the B&B >datafile with everything as specified in the official sourcebooks, and >then have another file mybunnies.gdf which contains the changes for your >campaign. If you want, you can put a comment in the Author section of the >bunnies.gdf that you recommend loading mybunnies.gdf, and have it placed >in the User Campaigns section. Some of the changed entries (like Plant Empathy) are completly new to B&B, some are changes that are mentioned in B&B itself and I only used them consequently. At least MyBunny.GDF should be in the same archiv. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:10:13 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org From: ogld@highway.com.br Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Date: 11 Aug 1997 22:01:36 +200 Subject: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows GC>Hi, GC>Technical: GC>- Dulled Nose, -3/-3, upto(4), gives(-1 "Taste/Smell", -1 GR:NoSmell), GC>page(BB24) GC>Doesn't work, Taste/Smell is still shown as IQ. (The skills in NoSmell GC>are reduced.) I probably could use TasteSmell without quotation marks, GC>I still wonder why the above won't do it. GC>cu GC>Yoo GC>yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 GC> PGP public key on request GC>Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 I had the same problem, and nothing I tried worked. In my case, even erasing the quotes didn't work. I finally solved the situation by creating a new stat, "Smell&Taste", based on "Taste/Smell" with a modifier, and using "display(no)" in "Taste/Smell" and "display(yes)" in "Smell&Taste". Later, I used this many times, with many names. Omar Geraldo Lopes Diniz ogld@highway.com.br ogld@bbs.highway.com.br http://www.highway.com.br/users/ogld/ogld.htm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:44:43 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811190301.0082d810@mail.teleport.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:47:06 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Missing Basic Advantage Modifier MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:19 PM 8/10/97 -0500, Troy Guffey wrote: >Why wasn't the Patron modifiers listed for special qualities included in >basic.gdf and vbasic.gdf? > >There are three listed in GURPS Basic: >Patron can use magic in a generally non-magic world. >Patron has technology much better than the world's norm. >Patron has unusual reach in time or space. Quite simply, I didn't include them because of the way I personally wrote data files (and vbasic was based on my basic). If the book suggested a range of possible prices for something that is an add-on or modifier to something else, I didn't include it. It was always my preference that special mods like that be tacked in when the player and the GM discuss it, and determine a price for it. This was especially true when you couldn't edit the mods. Now that you can edit mods, I suppose those items should probably be added into the file. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:44:44 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811190519.0082d810@mail.teleport.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:47:12 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:41 AM 8/11/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >It's very nice to see that here are many people willing to help you. >Much different from newsgroups. Thank you very much, all of you. Yes, it's very nice that we have such a helpful bunch around here. It's especially nice because I can't always see how to do something, or don't always have a chance to reply in a timely fashion. >It's also nice to use a program that's more affected by user errors >than by its own bugs. I'd love to figure out a way to help eliminate more of the user side problems as well. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:44:48 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811191716.0082d810@mail.teleport.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:47:15 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: GCA won't start MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:42 AM 8/11/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: So did you get your GCA to start up again? (I've also added more error checking code to the FastLoadFileWrite routine for the next update, so hopefully it won't crash people out after that, and will tell you what it's trying to do so you can fix it.) >That reminds me: Is there a way to install the data file using the same >Install.LOG as GCA itself? I figure that two Install.LOGs are of no >use, but, alas, there they are. I'm not sure, but I'll look into it next time I'm working on the installers. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:44:55 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811191710.0082d810@mail.teleport.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:47:21 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:40 AM 8/11/97 -0400, EBS110277@aol.com wrote: >>Wish List: >>- When I choose File/Preferences for the first time after starting GCA, >>my CD-ROM jukebox changes through all disks before File/Preferences is >>shown. This is a little annoying, could you do anything about it? > >This is a common complaint. I it's a problem with the GCA engine, Armin has >said that he will try to fix this in version 3.0 of GCA. Unfortunately Armin >hasn't >even started writing v3.0, and has said that he probably won't in the near >future. :-( Um, Eric, did you read the same paragraph that I read? I don't recall that anyone has ever complained about the Prefs window chugging through all the disks in a CD-ROM changer before, or that I said I'd try to fix it. As it happens, this is not a fault of GCA in particular, but of the Drive list box that it uses in the Data Files tab to allow you to load from other places. There's nothing I can do to fix this without getting rid of that drive list. The comments on v3 were right on target. I've currently got an immense work project under way, and if that one works out the way I think it can, I'll have *a lot* of time for GCA a year from now . Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:44:58 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811192056.007c0dc0@mail.teleport.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:47:27 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:32 AM 8/12/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >Some of the changed entries (like Plant Empathy) are completly new to >B&B, some are changes that are mentioned in B&B itself and I only used >them consequently. >At least MyBunny.GDF should be in the same archiv. The changes that are mentioned in GURPS B&B should be included in that data file. The ones that you've created on your own should go into the MyBunny.GDF file. If some changes are only suggested, but not actually made, in B&B, then either offer both options, or leave out the suggested-but-not-implemented option. The proper place for MyBunny.GDF on the GCA site would be in either the User's Campaigns section or the Other Data Files section, depending on how it was presented. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:45:03 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811191950.007c0cd0@mail.teleport.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:47:31 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:22 AM 8/12/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >>If you remove the quotes it works fine. Apparently GCA isn't recognizing >>the attribute (which Taste/Smell is) because of the quotes. > >Yes, indeed. I wonder why. GCA only strips quotes in the math solver. If the item doesn't get sent through the solver routine, the quotes will stay and be considered part of the name. In gives(xx to YY), the 'xx' part is sent to the solver, the 'to YY' part does not. Hence, do not use quotes in the 'to YY' part of a gives(). Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:12:47 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:13:29 +1000 (EST) From: Mark Nettle Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Armin D. Sykes wrote: > At 12:22 AM 8/12/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: > >>If you remove the quotes it works fine. Apparently GCA isn't recognizing > >>the attribute (which Taste/Smell is) because of the quotes. > > > >Yes, indeed. I wonder why. > > GCA only strips quotes in the math solver. If the item doesn't get sent > through the solver routine, the quotes will stay and be considered part of > the name. In gives(xx to YY), the 'xx' part is sent to the solver, the 'to > YY' part does not. Hence, do not use quotes in the 'to YY' part of a gives(). Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier if the attribute was called TasteSmell instead of Taste/Smell, and so didn't confuse the maths parser (I assume that is what is happening?) Mark ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:58:00 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811225701.007b8440@mail.teleport.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:00:27 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:13 PM 8/12/97 +1000, Mark Nettle wrote: > >Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier if the attribute was called TasteSmell >instead of Taste/Smell, and so didn't confuse the maths parser (I assume >that is what is happening?) I don't remember why I called it Taste/Smell in particular, probably because that's the way GURPS lists it somewhere. I like to be like GURPS, so you gotta use the applicable name when doing a gives() or something to it. HOWEVER, when using math, you can use the Symbol of a Stat instead of its name, and the symbol should usually be a shorter, easier to use version of the name without math symbols. For example, the Symbol for Taste/Smell is TasteSmell, so you can use that in math based on it, and just use Taste/Smell for gives() and such. Basically, what I'm saying is that GURPS calls that stat Taste/Smell, so GCA calls it that. I could add code to strip all quotes out of the 'to' part of gives() just to help avoid this kind of problem, I suppose. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:58:03 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970811225929.007edb00@mail.teleport.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:00:30 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:01 PM 8/11/97 +200, ogld@highway.com.br wrote: >I had the same problem, and nothing I tried worked. In my case, even >erasing the quotes didn't work. I finally solved the situation by >creating a new stat, "Smell&Taste", based on "Taste/Smell" with a >modifier, and using "display(no)" in "Taste/Smell" and "display(yes)" in >"Smell&Taste". Later, I used this many times, with many names. I suspect that you had a similar problem with the confusion of when to use quotes around the name. If Smell&Taste worked, so would Taste/Smell, so long as it had quotes in math sections and didn't in non-math sections . Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:08:16 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970812175846.007abde0@ramhb.co.nz> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:58:46 +1200 To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG From: Brian Logan Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Are these messages breeding or something? Brian -- Brian Logan mailto:brian@ramhb.co.nz "My shoes are too tight and I have forgotten how to dance." (Amb. Mollari, B5 "The War Prayer") ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:10:37 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:10:34 -0400 (EDT) From: EBS110277@aol.com Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Message-ID: <970812041032_1117487353@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows >>I believe this has already been answered by Mark, basically name the file >>mybunny.gdf >>and put a note in the author section that this file is intended for your >>campaign only >>because you have made some changes to the rules in the Basic Set and B & B. > >I don't think that you can answer this question right or wrong. It's >basically a matter of taste, maybe modified by established customs in >the GCA community. So you agree with Mark? > >cu >Yoo > >yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 Yep, I agree with Mark. The problem is that if you write a file that doesn't follow the rules in the book to the letter then people will complain about your mistakes (even if they were intentional, like you changing the rules for your own campaign), *BUT* if you say "This file has some changes that I made specifically for my own campaign" then they arn't errors, thus you won't get messages from people wondering why you made the "mistakes." There are a few different files that people have made for their own campaigns, and all of them specifically say that they're campaign speciffic. It's much easier on the nerves of the people that are trying to learn the program if they know which files are the "official" files and which ones are "modified for a specific campaign." Eric Smith EBS110277@aol.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:50:33 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: EBS110277@aol.com Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Message-ID: <970812045027_-935521517@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows > >>Wish List: > >>- When I choose File/Preferences for the first time after starting GCA, > >>my CD-ROM jukebox changes through all disks before File/Preferences is > >>shown. This is a little annoying, could you do anything about it? > > > >This is a common complaint. I it's a problem with the GCA engine, Armin has > >said that he will try to fix this in version 3.0 of GCA. Unfortunately Armin > >hasn't > >even started writing v3.0, and has said that he probably won't in the near > >future. :-( > > Um, Eric, did you read the same paragraph that I read? I don't recall that > anyone has ever complained about the Prefs window chugging through all the > disks in a CD-ROM changer before, or that I said I'd try to fix it. As it > happens, this is not a fault of GCA in particular, but of the Drive list > box that it uses in the Data Files tab to allow you to load from other > places. There's nothing I can do to fix this without getting rid of that > drive list. Oops, I thought he was talking about loading time, not a driver problems conflicting with his CD-ROM. I think I went to sleep 5 minutes after I sent this, at any rate it was a misunderstanding :-( Forgive me, now I feel bad :-( Oh well, everyone screws up now and then, it was my turn this time :-) Eric Smith EBS110277@aol.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:29:18 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199708121127.GAA04609@netgw.ltec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: MJA@vax3.ltec.com (Redeucer Oehler) Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hello All, At 12:22 AM 8/12/97 -0100, GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org wrote: >>>- I have made some changes in my Bunnies & Burrows campaign and have >>>changed the GDF along. Now, of course I think the changes are very >>>clever and everyone should use them. Should I restore the original >>>values or is it enough to mark the changes and provide the original? >>>For example, plants are much more important to Rabbits than to humans, >>>so I raised the cost for Plant Empathy from 5 to 10. The line looks >>>like this: >>>- - - Schnipp - - - >>>Plant Empathy, 10, gives(+2 SK:Botany), page(CI29) // Original: >>>Plant Empathy, 5, gives(+2 SK:Botany), page(CI29) >>>- - - Schnapp - - - >> >>I believe this has already been answered by Mark, basically name the file >>mybunny.gdf >>and put a note in the author section that this file is intended for your >>campaign only >>because you have made some changes to the rules in the Basic Set and B & B. > >I don't think that you can answer this question right or wrong. It's >basically a matter of taste, maybe modified by established customs in >the GCA community. So you agree with Mark? Actually, yes there is a right and wrong way. If the file is to be posted on the site under the world book rules, it should be as the book defines it. If it's not as the book defines it, this will cause confusion to someone trying to use the file. Any changes should be in a seperate file. We can put a note with the original file mentioning your changes and maybe even a link to the modified file (and vice versa). Then the modified file would go on the user world/campaign files page. Sure, sure, if I don't have the book you can pull a fast one on me and change it, but as soon as someone notices and sends me a note to correct the file, I will. I do not have anything against a GM changing things for his campaign. I just want the files to be as accurate as possible. And I do not have a problem with there being to B&B files. And if someone else has changes to a file that they'd like to submit as their own file, then that's great too. I'll be glad to look them over and see that they get posted on the site. But any file that goes on the official world book page, needs to be by the book (and any associated errata). The DFC has spoken. :) a trai in pace, Redeucer M. J. Aylor MJA@VAX3.ltec.com maylor@aliant.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:37:14 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970812043845.007b9820@mail.teleport.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:39:45 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:50 AM 8/12/97 -0400, EBS110277@aol.com wrote: >Oops, I thought he was talking about loading time, not a driver problems >conflicting with his CD-ROM. I think I went to sleep 5 minutes after I sent >this, at any rate it was a misunderstanding :-( Forgive me, now I feel bad >:-( Oh well, everyone screws up now and then, it was my turn this time :-) Oh, no problem, I was just a little surprised is all. We can certainly forgive a small misunderstanding. (And yes, loading and integration time is indeed something that I'm hoping we can improve in v3.) Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:41:17 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970812044345.007e1ad0@mail.teleport.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 04:43:50 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:27 AM 8/12/97 -0500, Redeucer Oehler wrote: >The DFC has spoken. :) Ah! The DFC has spoken! I bow down before the power of the Dread File Chopper! Armin P.S. Yes, I was just heading off to sleep, why do you ask? (I wrote a program yesterday, so I had a good day.) ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:19:29 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:17:29 -0500 Message-ID: <199708121217.HAA04759@netgw.ltec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org, GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: MJA@vax3.ltec.com (Redeucer Oehler) Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Just catching up here so I'll put a bunch of stuff together. At various times GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org wrote: >Just to really confuse things. The languages should not be M/NL unless they are ONLY >available as native languages. Otherwise, characters who take the languages as second >languages will not get them properly. Use the previous attempt, which will work correctly >in all cases. Good point. Not having the book, I can't check it, so I'll pose these questions: Does the book say that the Bunnies get the languages at default of IQ? Does the book specifically state that these languages are _native_ for all bunnies? Does the book specifically state that the languages are M/A, M/E, etc.? Here's why I ask. If the book says they are _native_ for the bunnies and that they get them at a default of IQ, then for the bunnies, they probably should be M/NL. The thing is that there is a different scale for native languages as opposed to M/? languages. A M/NL language gives the skill at IQ starting and then increments by 1 pt. per +1. A M/A, M/E and M/H will increase at 1 pt. per +1 and then go to 2 pts. per +1, and a M/VH goes from 1 pt. up to 4 pts. per +1. So it really depends on how the book states it on how it should be done. On package points: Now as to the points cost issue, Armin has already addressed that, and I agree with him 100%. Not having the book, I didn't know that being a bunny cost no points. So from that standpoint, yes, the best way is to add each skill at 0 pts., and then create an 0 pt. AD that give the bunnies the points to the skills. Bullseye on that one. Finally: >Are these messages breeding or something? Yes they are. :) (I wish I had a good emoticon of a rabbit right now. :) a trai in pace, Redeucer M. J. Aylor MJA@VAX3.ltec.com maylor@aliant.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:20:22 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Return-Path: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:20:12 GMT Message-ID: <199708121320.NAA21743@etsuodt.TAMU-Commerce.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG From: Marcus Spears Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows At 07:47 PM 8/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >Um, Eric, did you read the same paragraph that I read? I don't recall that >anyone has ever complained about the Prefs window chugging through all the >disks in a CD-ROM changer before, or that I said I'd try to fix it. As it >happens, this is not a fault of GCA in particular, but of the Drive list >box that it uses in the Data Files tab to allow you to load from other >places. There's nothing I can do to fix this without getting rid of that >drive list. Actually, there is one thing that might work, but it seems like it would be rather awkward using it. One of the Power Toys (which can be downloaded from Microsoft) is the TweakUI tool. If you go to the "My Computer" tab in TweakUI, you can prevent certain drives from being shown in "My Computer", and I presume it would keep them from being shown in the filelist, though I could be wrong. The awkward part is that you'd have to change it back if you wanted to read a file on the CD-ROM from, say, Windows Explorer. -- Marcus Spears Phone: (903) 886-5149 Data Processing Services Fax: (903) 886-5415 Texas A&M - Commerce E-Mail: MSPEARS@BOISDARC.TAMU-COMMERCE.EDU Commerce, Texas 75429 or: MSPEARS@ETSUADMN.TAMU-COMMERCE.EDU ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:31:45 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708122331.XAA38330@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 00:36:33 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:28:07 -0500, Jim Trigg wrote: >Just to really confuse things. The languages should not be M/NL unless they are ONLY >available as native languages. Otherwise, characters who take the languages as second >languages will not get them properly. Use the previous attempt, which will work correctly >in all cases. The setting is only about Rabbits, so it's NL for all players. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:03:48 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708130103.BAA105170@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 01:34:23 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi Omar, >GC>- Dulled Nose, -3/-3, upto(4), gives(-1 "Taste/Smell", -1 GR:NoSmell), >GC>page(BB24) >GC>Doesn't work, Taste/Smell is still shown as IQ. (The skills in NoSmell >GC>are reduced.) I probably could use TasteSmell without quotation marks, >GC>I still wonder why the above won't do it. >I had the same problem, and nothing I tried worked. In my case, even >erasing the quotes didn't work. It did in my case. You better ask some real expert why. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:03:58 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708130103.BAA58120@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 01:39:52 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: GCA won't start Hi Armin, >So did you get your GCA to start up again? Yep. Killing the INI did it. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:04:00 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708130103.BAA166208@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 01:43:19 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi Armin, >>>- When I choose File/Preferences for the first time after starting GCA, >>>my CD-ROM jukebox changes through all disks before File/Preferences is >>>shown. This is a little annoying, could you do anything about it? >>This is a common complaint. >Um, Eric, did you read the same paragraph that I read? I don't recall that >anyone has ever complained about the Prefs window chugging through all the >disks in a CD-ROM changer before, or that I said I'd try to fix it. Ah. So no jukeboxes abundant in the USA. >As it happens, this is not a fault of GCA in particular, but of the >Drive list box that it uses in the Data Files tab to allow you to >load from other places. There's nothing I can do to fix this >without getting rid of that drive list. I expected something like this. >The comments on v3 were right on target. I've currently got an immense work >project under way, and if that one works out the way I think it can, I'll >have *a lot* of time for GCA a year from now . Good Luck. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:04:05 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708130103.BAA166272@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 01:50:31 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi Armin, >>Some of the changed entries (like Plant Empathy) are completly new to >>B&B, some are changes that are mentioned in B&B itself and I only used >>them consequently. >The changes that are mentioned in GURPS B&B should be included in that data >file. If some changes are only suggested, but not actually >made, in B&B, then either offer both options, or leave out the >suggested-but-not-implemented option. The changes that are mentioned are only cosmetic, like renaming a skill (Weather Sense for Meteorology) or moving a skill from one section to another, so I'll include them in Bunnies.GDF. >The ones that you've created on your own should go into the >MyBunny.GDF file. OK, I seem to be outvoted. >>At least MyBunny.GDF should be in the same archiv. >The proper place for MyBunny.GDF on the GCA site would be in either the >User's Campaigns section or the Other Data Files section, depending on how >it was presented. It's not campaign specific IMHO, but useful for any Bunny campaign, so where does it fit? cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:04:15 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708130104.BAA27380@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 02:01:26 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi Eric, >>I don't think that you can answer this question right or wrong. It's >>basically a matter of taste, maybe modified by established customs in >>the GCA community. So you agree with Mark? >Yep, I agree with Mark. OK, the establishes customs seems to be more important than I thought of. I'll include the cosmetic changes that are suggested by B&B anyway, and make another file for the *really* changed stuff. > It's much easier on the nerves of the people that are trying to learn the >program if they know which files are the "official" files and which ones are >"modified for a specific campaign." And I'll include a reference to MyBunny.GDF. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:04:17 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708130104.BAA139468@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 01:55:41 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi Brian, >Are these messages breeding or something? There is an interesting sidebar about the Lecherousness disadvantage in B&B. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:04:20 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708130104.BAA135456@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 02:21:33 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi Redeucer, >>>>- I have made some changes in my Bunnies & Burrows campaign and have >>>>changed the GDF along. Now, of course I think the changes are very >>>>clever and everyone should use them. Should I restore the original >>>>values or is it enough to mark the changes and provide the original? >>>>For example, plants are much more important to Rabbits than to humans, >>>>so I raised the cost for Plant Empathy from 5 to 10. >>I don't think that you can answer this question right or wrong. It's >>basically a matter of taste, maybe modified by established customs in >>the GCA community. So you agree with Mark? >Actually, yes there is a right and wrong way. I'm sorry to cause problems, O Mighty Lord of Coordination, but this seems to be a matter of customs. It is certainly a good way to do it, but not the only way. >If the file is to be posted on the site under the world book rules, it >should be as the book defines it. I'll contact you for details. >Sure, sure, if I don't have the book you can pull a fast one on me and >change it, but as soon as someone notices and sends me a note to correct the >file, I will. If I wanted to cheat, I probably wouldn't have started the discussion. I addition, the changes are mentioned in the author's section, marked in the file to find them quickly and the original values are provided right next to the changed ones. >And I do not have a problem with there being to B&B files. Oops, that may be a cause of a misunderstanding. Mark's file (which is currently on the site) has some serious errors, as had mine before I read Mark's. I compiled the two files into one, put in both of us as authors and was planning to ask you to replace the older file. I tried to contact Mark as soon as I learned about his file and are still waiting for an answer. >(and any associated errata). Errata. I probably will have to go over the file again once I get them. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:04:24 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708130104.BAA27230@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 02:42:07 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi Redeucer, >Does the book say that the Bunnies get the languages at default of IQ? > >Does the book specifically state that these languages are _native_ for all >bunnies? "Each Animal speaks, at IQ level or better, its own native common and racial languages for zero points." (B&B28) >Does the book specifically state that the languages are M/A, M/E, etc.? Yep >Not having the book, I didn't know that being a bunny cost no >points. Bunnies are the only race covered in B&B (as PCs), so it wouldn't make sense to have them pay for it. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:04:28 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708130104.BAA135566@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 02:45:14 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi Marcus, On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:20:12 GMT, Marcus Spears wrote: >Actually, there is one thing that might work, but it seems like it would be >rather awkward using it. One of the Power Toys (which can be downloaded >from Microsoft) is the TweakUI tool. If you go to the "My Computer" tab in >TweakUI, you can prevent certain drives from being shown in "My Computer", >and I presume it would keep them from being shown in the filelist, though I >could be wrong. The awkward part is that you'd have to change it back if >you wanted to read a file on the CD-ROM from, say, Windows Explorer. Nope, it would actually be easier to take out the CDs than to remember that they are not listed. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:04:36 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708130104.BAA105202@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 02:49:19 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi Mark. >Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier if the attribute was called TasteSmell >instead of Taste/Smell, and so didn't confuse the maths parser (I assume >that is what is happening?) TasteSmell is a Symbol() of Taste/Smell anyway, so it can be used. I prefer using the original, so I asked where the error could be. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:26:24 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:27:10 +1000 (EST) From: Mark Nettle Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Armin D. Sykes wrote: > At 04:50 AM 8/12/97 -0400, EBS110277@aol.com wrote: > >Oops, I thought he was talking about loading time, not a driver problems > >conflicting with his CD-ROM. I think I went to sleep 5 minutes after I sent > >this, at any rate it was a misunderstanding :-( Forgive me, now I feel bad > >:-( Oh well, everyone screws up now and then, it was my turn this time :-) > > Oh, no problem, I was just a little surprised is all. We can certainly > forgive a small misunderstanding. (And yes, loading and integration time is > indeed something that I'm hoping we can improve in v3.) Judging by the way GCA slows down file loading as it loads later files, I'd guess that as it loads each entry, it runs through the entire list of entries loaded so far, and finds a place for the new one in (alphabetical ?) order. Me thinks this is not the most efficent sorting algorithm around. Mark ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:33:49 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:34:35 +1000 (EST) From: Mark Nettle Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Thorsten Haude wrote: > Bunnies are the only race covered in B&B (as PCs), so it wouldn't make > sense to have them pay for it. Does it have any sample characters? Check how their points totals are calculated. Mark ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:27:18 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:26:58 -0400 (EDT) From: EBS110277@aol.com Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Message-ID: <970812222620_954083703@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows >(and any associated errata). > > Errata. I probably will have to go over the file again once I get them. > > cu > Yoo You can find a list of *ALL* official errata for most GURPS books at: http://www.sjgames.com/errata/gurps/ It appears that there is only one piece of Errata for B&B that should affect the file. The rate of Move reduction for Encumbrance levels is -2 move per level of Encumbrance, not the -1 listed for Humans in the Basic Set. You should double check for yourself though :-) Eric Smith EBS110277@aol.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:50:42 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708131150.LAA91308@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "gca-l@lists.sidhe.org" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 13:48:16 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi, On Wed, 13 Aug 97 02:21:33 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >>(and any associated errata). > >Errata. I probably will have to go over the file again once I get them. Got it. It was actually easy, since the only change that affects GCA was very nearly one of my proposed changes. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:51:15 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:48:28 -0500 Message-ID: <199708131248.HAA08648@netgw.ltec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: MJA@vax3.ltec.com (Redeucer Oehler) Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows At 02:21 AM 8/13/97 -0100, GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org wrote: >Hi Redeucer, > >>>>>- I have made some changes in my Bunnies & Burrows campaign and have >>>>>changed the GDF along. Now, of course I think the changes are very >>>>>clever and everyone should use them. Should I restore the original >>>>>values or is it enough to mark the changes and provide the original? >>>>>For example, plants are much more important to Rabbits than to humans, >>>>>so I raised the cost for Plant Empathy from 5 to 10. > >>>I don't think that you can answer this question right or wrong. It's >>>basically a matter of taste, maybe modified by established customs in >>>the GCA community. So you agree with Mark? > >>Actually, yes there is a right and wrong way. > >I'm sorry to cause problems, O Mighty Lord of Coordination, but this >seems to be a matter of customs. It is certainly a good way to do it, >but not the only way. I hope that was meant to be somewhat humorous. At least I took it that way. But I just realized my comments may not have come off as light as they were intended to be. >>If the file is to be posted on the site under the world book rules, it >>should be as the book defines it. > >I'll contact you for details. I think I already replied to your message on this, but either way, please feel free to drop me a note with any specific questions. >>Sure, sure, if I don't have the book you can pull a fast one on me and >>change it, but as soon as someone notices and sends me a note to correct the >>file, I will. > >If I wanted to cheat, I probably wouldn't have started the discussion. >I addition, the changes are mentioned in the author's section, marked >in the file to find them quickly and the original values are provided >right next to the changed ones. Once again, my humour didn't translate the best. I have a very dry sense of humour (just ask Armin :). All I wanted to point out was that if someone sends me a correction to the file, I will change it, even if you made the change intentionally. >>And I do not have a problem with there being to B&B files. > >Oops, that may be a cause of a misunderstanding. Mark's file (which is >currently on the site) has some serious errors, as had mine before I >read Mark's. I compiled the two files into one, put in both of us as >authors and was planning to ask you to replace the older file. I tried >to contact Mark as soon as I learned about his file and are still >waiting for an answer. Oh, no. Please go ahead and combine yours and Marks file (if it's O.K. with him) and list both of you as authors. That would be fantastic. That's what Marzo and I did on the vampire files. We spent a lot of time hammering out details on the file and getting to a managable size. It was initially 86-90K, and we beat our heads against it for quite a while before we got Armin to add some math to make our lives easier and the file smaller. But it was definitely a joint effort. You end up with a better file that way. What I really intended was that there would be the "Official" B&B file with the info from the book, and then the Mybunny file which would have any changes to it. And if you and Mark each want to put up your specific file changes sepreately, I don't have a problem with that. Is that any clearer than the mud I tracked all over the net before? >>(and any associated errata). > >Errata. I probably will have to go over the file again once I get them. Check out the SJG web site. They have errata listed there for all (most?) of their books. Here's the B&B address: http://www.sjgames.com/errata/gurps/bunnies/ THE DREAD FILE CHOPPER HAS SPOKEN! (Armin, why did you do that to me? You know I don't like the wizard of Oz. :) a trai in pace, Redeucer M. J. Aylor MJA@VAX3.ltec.com maylor@aliant.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:00:15 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970813095441.00805100@iu.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:55:23 -0400 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org, maylor@aliant.com, MJA@VAX3.ltec.com From: CraigR Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: !Message for data file authors! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Redeucer (DFC) wrote: >First off, I am going to try to standardize the files a little. There are >several instances where the same skill/ad/disad/etc. is named slightly >different from file to file. So if anyone has a list of these they have >been keeping, send 'em my way, and I will start making the corrections. Okay, these are the only ones I've personally run across. Cool is listed twice in the Advantages section of COMPEND1.GDF: once as a mental advantage and once as a cooling attack power. They cost different amounts, and the later occurance in the data file (the attack power) overwrites the earlier one (the mental ad). MA2STYLE.GDF requires MARTART2.GDF to run properly. However, Kuntao and Shaolin Kung Fu both list in their packages SK:Arm Lock, which is not in MARTART2.GDF, only SK:Arm or Wrist Lock. (The other styles that use these types of locks use SK:Arm or Wrist Lock.) That's all I can really think of at the moment. WHOOPS! Another minor fix you might want to do... In UMANA.GDF, change the subheading under the [SPELLS] section to (making the underscore a dash). This will put the single spell in that section in with the other Meta-spells in the Spell Cats section of GCA. Mark, I've already corrected my own copy of the file, you want me to send it to you? Later, Craig *********************************************************** "Species 8472 - We are Borg. You will be -- ow. Ouch. Ow. ow. Ouch. Ow!!" *********************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:15:22 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708132214.WAA123850@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 13:54:17 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bunnies & Burrows Hi Mark, On Wed 13 Aug 1997 11:34:35 +1000 (EST), Mark Nettle wrote: >> Bunnies are the only race covered in B&B (as PCs), so it wouldn't make >> sense to have them pay for it. > >Does it have any sample characters? Check how their points totals are >calculated. I should have thought of that one myself. Yes, the Package is free for bunnies. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:07:38 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708140007.AAA85212@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 01:57:26 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi Redeucer, On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:48:28 -0500, Redeucer Oehler wrote: >>>Actually, yes there is a right and wrong way. >> >>I'm sorry to cause problems, O Mighty Lord of Coordination, but this >>seems to be a matter of customs. It is certainly a good way to do it, >>but not the only way. > >I hope that was meant to be somewhat humorous. At least I took it >that way. And rightly so. But still, I think if the changes are documented, you can put them right in. That would be another point to the: Wish List: - Include a section , entry would be a text that is shown to the user after the file is loaded. Problem is, after you read the same text a few times you will be pissed. >Once again, my humour didn't translate the best. Acknowledged. >>I compiled the two files into one, put in both of us as authors >>and was planning to ask you to replace the older file. > >Oh, no. Please go ahead and combine yours and Marks file (if it's O.K. with >him) and list both of you as authors. I couldn't reach him yet. How long should I wait before making up a new plan? >Is that any clearer than the mud I tracked all over the net before? Perfectly clear, O Dear File Caretaker. >>Errata. I probably will have to go over the file again once I get them. > >Check out the SJG web site. They have errata listed there for all (most?) >of their books. Here's the B&B address: Been there, done that. Thx anyway. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:41:04 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708141844.LAA07032@enaila.nidlink.com> From: "Dataweaver" To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:32:39 +0007 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: !Message for data file authors! Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org On 13 Aug 97 at 9:55, CraigR wrote: > Redeucer (DFC) wrote: > >First off, I am going to try to standardize the files a little. There are > >several instances where the same skill/ad/disad/etc. is named slightly > >different from file to file. So if anyone has a list of these they have > >been keeping, send 'em my way, and I will start making the corrections. The proliferation of sub-headings is a major problem for me; could you change COMPEND1.GDF's Subheadings to , so that they merge with Basic Set? Also, change in MARTART2.GDF to so that they merge with CI... ---- Jonathan Lang ---- x ------- alias: Dataweaver --------- Webpage: http://www.io.com/~traveler /@\ The Dogma of Otherness insists Benevolent Tyrant for Life in Exile ~~~ that all voices deserve a hearing, FAQ: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet/www | that all points of view have Archive: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet | something of value to offer. submit new files to gurpsnet-files@io.com | --David Brin, "Otherness" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:57:44 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:57:33 -0400 (EDT) From: DrewJB@aol.com Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Message-ID: <970814165623_32554989@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Fatal error with Packages Whenever I attempt to do anything more than view a Package, no matter which one (I think), I receive a message saying "Ilegal function call" and GCA shuts down. This is rather annoying, obviously; what might be the cause, and following that, the solution? Thank you, in advance. Drew (JB) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:25:49 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708150025.AAA109896@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "gca-l@lists.sidhe.org" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 02:23:15 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: This and that again Hi, - I changed Light Encumbrance Move Reduction and applied the change to an existing character. Tools/Reintegrate Stats seemed to work, but the character was not marked as changed. - A similar problem (?) is occuring with a package: ADD=SK:Running .AT. 0 CREATE=AD:Basic Bunny Package, 0, gives(+4pts SK:Running) The move score is only changed when I add and substract a level of Running. Neither Reintegrate Stats nor Recalculate Everything worked. - I would like to add Bite Damage to my characters. I found baseswing(1d-1) and basethrust(1d-2) in the character file, but no opportunity to change them or to add new damage types in GCA. It would be nice if I could add new damage types, based on the basic ones (e.g. Bite, basevalue(baseswing-1)), appearing in the Damage box. - This one is probably for GCA 3.0: If you include equipment, please do also include the possibility to make a weapon list with damage based on the basic damage types. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:54:24 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708150254.CAA51004@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "gca-l@lists.sidhe.org" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 02:41:29 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Still this and that Hi, I forgot one: - In the character sheet, half points are printed with a comma. Now, you always use decimal points, we always put a zero in front of the comma. Seeing a comma withou a zero is strange. Only to make this clear once and for all: Most of the bugs I mention here are far from severe, but I don't want to let them go unmentioned. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:14:59 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970815023700.007b9320@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:43 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >TasteSmell is a Symbol() of Taste/Smell anyway, so it can be used. I >prefer using the original, so I asked where the error could be. Just a reminder: the symbol() of a stat can only be used in the math portion of a statement. There's no assurance that a symbol() will work anywhere else at this time. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:15:01 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970815024512.007b9320@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:45 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:27 AM 8/13/97 +1000, Mark Nettle wrote: >Judging by the way GCA slows down file loading as it loads later files, >I'd guess that as it loads each entry, it runs through the entire >list of entries loaded so far, and finds a place for the new one in >(alphabetical ?) order. Me thinks this is not the most efficent sorting >algorithm around. Close, but that's not actually the real cause of the slowdown. I use a binary search to find the appropriate place in the list for the new item, and that's always going to be pretty fast. The slowdown comes because all the items below that in the list need to be moved down, and it's currently being done manually. If the memory was moved in big chunks intead of as array items, or if I was using an indexed array, the process would be considerably faster. Actually, the block memory moves is one thing that I've been meaning to look into (my knowledge of trickiness using the API to get around VB limits is pitiful), since technically I could slip that into GCA for a quick speed up, but I never seem to remember it when I'm out looking for knowledge. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:15:04 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970815025724.007b9320@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:47 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:57 AM 8/14/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >Wish List: >- Include a section , entry would be a text that is shown to >the user after the file is loaded. Problem is, after you read the same >text a few times you will be pissed. One of the items I intend to implement in the future is a Message item of some kind in the file, that will pop up a message for the user to read when the file is loaded (but not when fastloaded). I'd intended that folks would read the author section of data files, but they don't, so the Message item seems to be the best second choice. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:15:06 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970815030320.007b9320@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:50 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: !Message for data file authors! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:32 AM 8/14/97 +0007, Dataweaver wrote: >The proliferation of sub-headings is a major problem for me; could you change >COMPEND1.GDF's Subheadings to , so that they merge with >Basic Set? Also, change in MARTART2.GDF to so that they >merge with CI... I agree that the proliferation of sub-headings can be a big pain, and I hope to do something about easing that a bit in v3. For now, we just have to hope that unnecessary headings can be eliminated. As for MartArt2.GDF, I personally would rather not have Cinematic changed to Esoteric, since Cinematic items are used in several places in that book. (Why did CI make up Esoteric, anyway? Wasn't Cinematic good enough?) In any case, is there any particular reason you don't just modify the datafiles you're using to make those changes and ease the tab frenzy a bit? Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:15:08 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970815030908.0081aa00@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:52 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Fatal error with Packages CC: DrewJB@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:57 PM 8/14/97 -0400, DrewJB@aol.com wrote: >Whenever I attempt to do anything more than view a Package, no matter which >one (I think), I receive a message saying "Ilegal function call" and GCA >shuts down. This is rather annoying, obviously; what might be the cause, and >following that, the solution? Thank you, in advance. I have no idea what might be causing the problem. I do know that is has come up before, and I do know that in some cases other users have had the problem go away when they reinstalled GCA. You can try that, and see if it helps. The problem here is that I haven't been able to get Packages to crash GCA on my test machines, and if I can't reproduce the problem, it's devilishly hard to track down what it might be. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:15:11 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970815031249.008162c0@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:55 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:23 AM 8/15/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >- I changed Light Encumbrance Move Reduction and applied the change to >an existing character. Tools/Reintegrate Stats seemed to work, but the >character was not marked as changed. What do you mean by 'not marked as changed'? Do you mean that GCA didn't ask to save your character before exiting or creating a new one? If so, I can add that flag into the Reintegrate routine, otherwise I'm not sure what you mean. >- A similar problem (?) is occuring with a package: > >ADD=SK:Running .AT. 0 >CREATE=AD:Basic Bunny Package, 0, > gives(+4pts SK:Running) >The move score is only changed when I add and substract a level of >Running. Neither Reintegrate Stats nor Recalculate Everything worked. Hmm. Try Creating the AD: before you Add the SK:, and see if that works. >- I would like to add Bite Damage to my characters. I found >baseswing(1d-1) and basethrust(1d-2) in the character file, but no >opportunity to change them or to add new damage types in GCA. It would >be nice if I could add new damage types, based on the basic ones (e.g. >Bite, basevalue(baseswing-1)), appearing in the Damage box. > >- This one is probably for GCA 3.0: If you include equipment, please do >also include the possibility to make a weapon list with damage based on >the basic damage types. We hope to allow for all kinds of neat damage stuff when we do v3, but it's an unlikely addition before then. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:15:13 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970815031605.00819cb0@mail.teleport.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:57 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Still this and that MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:41 AM 8/15/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >I forgot one: >- In the character sheet, half points are printed with a comma. Now, >you always use decimal points, we always put a zero in front of the >comma. Seeing a comma withou a zero is strange. So, you'd like a leading zero on the printout? I'll see about getting that in there. >Only to make this clear once and for all: Most of the bugs I mention >here are far from severe, but I don't want to let them go unmentioned. No problem, all such things are taken in and contribute to the eventual domination of GCA over all other character creation programs . Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:26:51 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:25:32 -0500 Message-ID: <199708151125.GAA10250@netgw.ltec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: MJA@vax3.ltec.com (Redeucer Oehler) Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: !Message for data file authors! At 11:32 AM 8/14/97 +0007, GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org wrote: >> Redeucer (DFC) wrote: >> >First off, I am going to try to standardize the files a little. There are >> >several instances where the same skill/ad/disad/etc. is named slightly >> >different from file to file. So if anyone has a list of these they have >> >been keeping, send 'em my way, and I will start making the corrections. > >The proliferation of sub-headings is a major problem for me; could you change >COMPEND1.GDF's Subheadings to , so that they merge with >Basic Set? Also, change in MARTART2.GDF to so that they >merge with CI... I though about this, but decided, no. This is how Compendium lists them. That way if someone is using their book, they will know where to find these. You can always change your file, or create your own file and put the skills under these headings. a trai in pace, Redeucer M. J. Aylor MJA@VAX3.ltec.com maylor@aliant.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:57:15 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:52:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199708151352.IAA08804@netgw.ltec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: MJA@vax3.ltec.com (Redeucer Oehler) Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: !The clean up starts! OOPS! Here is the list of files effected by these changes: archery.gdf basic.gdf callahan.gdf lowtech.gdf ltbasic.gdf ltmedic.gdf reastspd.gdf vbasic.gdf I forgot to add the baseline files. :0 :) Thanks again for your time. a trai in pace, Redeucer (DFC) M. J. Aylor MJA@VAX3.ltec.com maylor@aliant.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:10:39 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:08:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199708151408.JAA07644@netgw.ltec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: MJA@vax3.ltec.com (Redeucer Oehler) Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: !The clean up starts! Hello everyone, This is your DFC (Dreaded File Chopper) here doing a little clean up, and still looking for any naming inconsistencies that you may have run into. Here are a couple I have already fixed. First, from now on, DO NOT use Fast Draw. Only use Fast-Draw. I have gone through all the files I have currently, and changed every reference of Fast Draw to Fast-Draw, and removed all the (now unnecessary) Fast Draw References. I am sending these files to Armin later today. Second, from now on, DO NOT use Fast Talk. Only use Fast-Talk. I have got all these cleaned up too, and will be sending the files to Armin. Here is the list of files effected by these changes: archery.gdf basic.gdf callahan.gdf lowtech.gdf ltbasic.gdf ltmedic.gdf reastspd.gdf vbasic.gdf compend1.gdf is also effected, but you can use the same file for now because I only had to eliminate the Fast-Draw reference there. There are some other fixes in compend1 that need to be done, so I don't want to post it until it's finished. bunnies.gdf is also effected, but the author(s) are still working on this file, so I'll wait until they finish it before I post the new one. All other files shopuld be O.K. I may have missed a gives() with an extra Fast Draw in it, but that won't hurt anything, because it won't reference anything anymore. Thanks for your time. a trai in pace, Redeucer (DFC) M. J. Aylor MJA@VAX3.ltec.com maylor@aliant.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:15:00 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: DrewJB@aol.com Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Message-ID: <970815191433_166920593@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Re: Fatal error with Packages In a message dated 97-08-15 06:26:27 EDT, you write: << I have no idea what might be causing the problem. I do know that is has come up before, and I do know that in some cases other users have had the problem go away when they reinstalled GCA >> OK, I'll try that; if it doesn't work, I'll just have to grit my teeth and bear with it. Here's hoping that it'll be fixed with the next edition! (No hurry, though; I've barely begun to master this one.) Drew (JB) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:52:19 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708170152.BAA53122@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 97 01:10:39 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows Hi Armin, On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:43 -0700, Armin D. Sykes wrote: >>TasteSmell is a Symbol() of Taste/Smell anyway, so it can be used. I >>prefer using the original, so I asked where the error could be. > >Just a reminder: the symbol() of a stat can only be used in the math >portion of a statement. There's no assurance that a symbol() will work >anywhere else at this time. Oh. That doesn't make the thing clearer. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:52:26 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708170152.BAA107686@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 03:47:46 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Still this and that Hi Armin, On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:57 -0700, Armin D. Sykes wrote: >>- In the character sheet, half points are printed with a comma. Now, >>you always use decimal points, we always put a zero in front of the >>comma. Seeing a comma withou a zero is strange. > >So, you'd like a leading zero on the printout? I'll see about getting that >in there. Actually no, I'd like to see a point instead of the comma. A german decimal sign is strange in an otherwise english character sheet. But I think it would be a bit too complex to outsmart Windows at this point, so I'll settle with the leading zero. >>Only to make this clear once and for all: Most of the bugs I mention >>here are far from severe, but I don't want to let them go unmentioned. > >No problem, all such things are taken in and contribute to the eventual >domination of GCA over all other character creation programs . Are there still any other? cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:52:30 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708170152.BAA118474@out1.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 03:48:27 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: This and that again Hi Armin, On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:55 -0700, Armin D. Sykes wrote: >>- I changed Light Encumbrance Move Reduction and applied the change to >>an existing character. Tools/Reintegrate Stats seemed to work, but the >>character was not marked as changed. > >What do you mean by 'not marked as changed'? Do you mean that GCA didn't >ask to save your character before exiting or creating a new one? Yep >If so, I can add that flag into the Reintegrate routine, otherwise I'm not sure what >you mean. Do so. The character is definitely changed. >> >>ADD=SK:Running .AT. 0 >>CREATE=AD:Basic Bunny Package, 0, >> gives(+4pts SK:Running) >>The move score is only changed when I add and substract a level of >>Running. Neither Reintegrate Stats nor Recalculate Everything worked. > >Hmm. Try Creating the AD: before you Add the SK:, and see if that works. I just did, and it seems to work. >We hope to allow for all kinds of neat damage stuff when we do v3, but it's >an unlikely addition before then. I was afraid you'd say that. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:51:55 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970820044302.00793c90@mail.teleport.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:55:12 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: This and that and Bunnies and Burrows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:10 AM 8/16/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >Hi Armin, > >On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:17:43 -0700, Armin D. Sykes wrote: > >>>TasteSmell is a Symbol() of Taste/Smell anyway, so it can be used. I >>>prefer using the original, so I asked where the error could be. >> >>Just a reminder: the symbol() of a stat can only be used in the math >>portion of a statement. There's no assurance that a symbol() will work >>anywhere else at this time. > >Oh. That doesn't make the thing clearer. It's the same as with quotes: only use them in math supported parts of tags. You can use them in a default() tag, in the right hand side of a gives() statement (the TO portion), etc. The symbol is a *math symbol*, not a synonym for the item it's hooked to. I made symbols because I didn't want to have to type something like this: basevalue(@max(Move - "X-Heavy Encumbrance Move Reduction", 0)) when I could type something like this: basevalue(@max(Move - XEncMoveReduct, 0)) instead. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:51:58 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970820045343.007be9e0@mail.teleport.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:55:15 -0700 To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Armin D. Sykes" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Still this and that MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:47 AM 8/17/97 -0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: >Actually no, I'd like to see a point instead of the comma. A german >decimal sign is strange in an otherwise english character sheet. But I >think it would be a bit too complex to outsmart Windows at this point, >so >I'll settle with the leading zero. Ah, I see. This is Windows being helpful by converting to local standards when I print using certain formats. That's something that caused me some trouble early on in saved character files and such as well, but I left it as is in the output because I figured people preferred it that way (no one ever mentioned otherwise until now). I'll keep both things in mind for the future. >>No problem, all such things are taken in and contribute to the eventual >>domination of GCA over all other character creation programs . > >Are there still any other? Certainly. There's Bill Seurer's MakeChar and Imaginware's GURPS Character Generator. MakeChar is DOS, but still has lots of loyal users (it's also free). Imaginware just released a new version of their program (1.7), but I haven't checked it out to see what they've changed (I don't know what their user base might be like; Kira proclaimed the new version on the Daily Illuminator, which surely upped the download count a bit). I didn't care much for MakeChar when I first tried it (which eventually resulted in my making GCA v1). I hated GCG, and found certain features of the interface rather perplexing, but some people hate GCA, too. Both of those, I believe, support equipment which GCA doesn't, but I'd bet money that GCA has a much more complete handling of skills, ads, disads, etc. than either of them. Oh well, more on that than you probably wanted to know. Armin ------------------------------------------------------------ Armin D. Sykes GCA 2.11 is out! Visit us at http://www.teleport.com/~armin/gca/ Get GCA now at Hyperbooks! http://www.hyperbooks.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 03:43:30 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708211043.KAA142252@out2.ibm.net> From: "Thorsten Haude" To: "GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 12:39:32 -0100 Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Still this and that Hi Armin, On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:55:15 -0700, Armin D. Sykes wrote: >>Actually no, I'd like to see a point instead of the comma. A german >>decimal sign is strange in an otherwise english character sheet. But I >>think it would be a bit too complex to outsmart Windows at this point, >>so I'll settle with the leading zero. > >I left it as is in the output because I figured people preferred it that >way (no one ever mentioned otherwise until now). Probably because it's really a tiny problem. It's just that I want to have the sheet in English, and decimal commas aren't English. The German edition of GURPS is not very well translated, BTW. >>Are there still any other? > >Certainly. > (...) >Oh well, more on that than you probably wanted to know. I'm not sorry to admit that I'm prepared to change the programs I use once in a while, but GCA is good enough to not make me curious for anything else at the moment. cu Yoo yooden@ibm.net Fido: 2:2437/901.25 PGP public key on request Fingerprint = 75 39 B8 A0 03 52 BB 81 EA BF 57 F7 25 94 70 94 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:43:03 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970829104226.00914470@mail.silvergriffin.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:42:26 -0400 To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG From: "Alexander Grimgoth" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Dead or Alive... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How is everyone making out with GCA? I haven't gotten ANY mail in over 8 days and was wondering if the Captain Tripps Virus was released or if everything was running so smoothly that nobody had anything to say. Grimgoth ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:15:40 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:15:32 -0400 (EDT) From: ICEMANAT95@aol.com Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Message-ID: <970829120957_1327302302@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Re: Dead or Alive... Captain Tripps Virus.... reference to The Stand...great book, excellent miniseries, but last I heard there were no serious outbreaks. I think everyone finally got tired of reading messages titled "re: This and That and Bunnies and Burrows." I'm waiting patiently for v.3 to come out (take your time Armin and get it right) and working with what I have for now. Got to go now, I've had the most annoying cough for the past few days, feeling really hot and feverish too. I'd lay down and take a nap, but the body aches are killing me. Got to go out an get some more tissues...I don't think i've ever gone through three boxes in two day before. ;>) See yah. Icemanat95@aol.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:39:47 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org From: brandi@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Brandi Weed) Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org Subject: Re: Dead or Alive... Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:43:00 GMT Message-ID: <34084234.1204509@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> References: <970829120957_1327302302@emout20.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:15:32 -0400 (EDT), ICEMANAT95@aol.com wrote: >Captain Tripps Virus.... reference to The Stand...great book, excellent >miniseries, but last I heard there were no serious outbreaks. I think >everyone finally got tired of reading messages titled "re: This and That= and >Bunnies and Burrows." Well, this newbie to the program has been having a jolly time messing around with GDF files, including suggesting changes to Basic Set, Compendium 1, and Fantasy Folk... -- Brandi Weed brandi@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~brandi/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 04:41:05 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <9708301140.AA41982@poa01.datacontrol.com.br> From: "Valton" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG To: Subject: Comparing... Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:43:31 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello to all... I just downloaded the sharewere version of GCA's oponent: Imaginware's GURPS Character Generator... Once I read that Armyn never used used it, so I decided to make some coments. The program itself sucks, but there are some elements that are nice, and een some elements that GCA can't handle. First of all: 1. Equipament. But I will not start this discussion again. 2. Description of the advantages, Disadvantages, Skills and even of the Spells and Races. Altought GCA is designed to be used by GURPS players, even the best player can forget what "Frostbite" does... Havieng an on line help would be really helpfull 3. Suport for kids stats. I was creating a 14 years old character the other day, and noticed that GCA canīt handle kids stats... So I've got his ST and IQ cost wrong... 4. Some datails, like Handness, Automatic calculation of Height and Weight based on St (if the user wants the program to do). But anyway, GCA enviroment is much more friendly and the program is a LOT more easy to use. I'd never change. These comentaries is just becouse there's a V. 3.0 in the horizont... So it's for us to discuss what shoul and what shouldn't be done in GCA, so that Armyn makes it the best GURPS program and kick Imaginwares' ass! that's it. Thanks Longshot ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:07:15 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <199708301607.MAA13283@ren.globecomm.net> Reply-To: GCA-L@lists.sidhe.org From: "Troy Guffey" To: "GURPS character Assistant List" Subject: File specs Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:17:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried adding a new skill using the GURPS Data File Editor Beta v1.08 resulting in these lines: [Skills] Field Equipment Operation, M/A, default(IQ-4, SK:Field Equipment Operation - 3), stat(IQ) Evidence Dispersal, M/A, default(IQ-5, SK:Criminology - 3, SK:Forensics - 2), stat(IQ) GCA says the file produced is not a V2 file. GCA then proceeds to list the ED skill as "Evidence Dispersal,M/A(DEFAULT(I" GCA also lists the headings as skills. If anyone wants a look at the entire file, let me know. Troy Guffey ICQ WWW pager http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1978644 AOL IM: Pax214 "Belief changes the world. Because by believing, you change." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:03:01 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <9708301709.AA30892@inetminas.estaminas.com.br> From: "Marzo Sette Torres Junior" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG To: Subject: Re: File specs Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:00:15 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Troy. You wrote: >I tried adding a new skill using the GURPS Data File Editor Beta v1.08 >resulting in these lines: >GCA says the file produced is not a V2 file. >GCA then proceeds to list the ED skill as "Evidence >Dispersal,M/A(DEFAULT(I" >GCA also lists the headings as skills. > >If anyone wants a look at the entire file, let me know. Look at the very first line of the data file. It MUST be the following line: Version=2 Or GCA won't recognize the data file as being from version 2. You must not put anything at all before that line, not even comments or blank lines. When I made GDF Editor I made it so it would always place that version information on the very first line whenever you press the "New" button. Do not change this. Marzo Junior ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 05:56:29 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970831085634.007398dc@mail.silvergriffin.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:56:34 -0400 To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG From: "Alexander Grimgoth" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Packages... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am trying to build a package and give Survival (Mountains) as a skill. I have been trying to use: ADD=SK:Survival (Mountain) .at. 1pts This doesn't seem to work in comes back and tells me I can't add this because it doesn't exist. Survival (type) does exist though. Is there any way around this or do I need to create a new skill? How do I specify the (type) in the package? Grimgoth ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 09:44:30 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Message-ID: <9708311650.AA33410@inetminas.estaminas.com.br> From: "MARZO SETTE TORRES" Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG To: Subject: Re: Packages... Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 13:45:11 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Grimgoth. You wrote: > I am trying to build a package and give Survival (Mountains) as a skill. >I have been trying to use: > >ADD=SK:Survival (Mountain) .at. 1pts > >This doesn't seem to work in comes back and tells me I can't add this >because it doesn't exist. Survival (type) does exist though. Is there any >way around this or do I need to create a new skill? How do I specify the >(type) in the package? You need to create the skill either, in the package or in the skills section of the data file. This happens because GCA checks the skills list for a skill named Survival (Mountain), but he does not find this skill: GCA does not consider Survival (Mountain) and Survival (type) to be the same skill, only with different specializations, as we do. So GCA cannot add it. Hope it helps. Marzo Junior ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:35:53 PST Sender: owner-gca-l@lists.sidhe.org Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:35:35 +0200 (MESZ) From: Werner Arend Reply-To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG To: GCA-L@LISTS.SIDHE.ORG Subject: Re: Dead or Alive... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Alexander Grimgoth wrote: > How is everyone making out with GCA? I haven't gotten ANY mail in over 8 > days and was wondering if the Captain Tripps Virus was released or if > everything was running so smoothly that nobody had anything to say. Indeed, everything that went wrong has already been mentioned on the list several times, and, as far as I'm concerned, I have managed to solve all my problems with campaign-specific ADS/DISADS and powers. So, there's really not much to say just now. Werner